1:54 AM beyond.illusion.adil: asmi
shono go..u there
me: yes i am here
beyond.illusion.adil: uff phone er application ta bujhte khub asubidhe hoi amar
me: ki application?
1:55 AM beyond.illusion.adil: ei shab..phone er
achha amar room e aajke..gan er mehfil basechhilo
Ali eshe anek gulo gaan korlo
me: Ali ke?
1:56 AM beyond.illusion.adil: Mohsin er bandhu..Western Music Club e anek din dhare achhe..
me: ok
beyond.illusion.adil: jakhon ami Film Club Secretary chhilam takhon theke
so chini ami theek kintu bandhu mohsin er
1:57 AM me: ok
1:58 AM beyond.illusion.adil: hai aar bolo
1:59 AM tarpar jano Airtel er tower o aschhe na
me: maane?
2:00 AM beyond.illusion.adil: ei je..ekhon tower nei cell phone e
me: purono phone e aschhe?
beyond.illusion.adil: na purono phone theke to sim ta khule nilam na
tai ote koi..
2:01 AM me: na have tried putting the sim back into the old phone and checking whether that one is getting tower
??
2:02 AM or is it generaly airtel network problem
or is it the phone's reception problem
beyond.illusion.adil: achha na ebar theek achhe
me: ok then it is just momentary
beyond.illusion.adil: may be..
me: it happens to my phone here also
beyond.illusion.adil: na amar settings e kono garbar hoi ni tai bhabchhilam
me: in my campus the vodafone reception is the owrst
2:03 AM dont u seen when i call from home it is very clear
see*
beyond.illusion.adil: hai seta to batei..
2:04 AM ebar monday te science communication er exam achhe
2:05 AM me: hmm
porashona koro
2:07 AM so have u been able to transfer all yur numbers to the phone as i told you?
2:08 AM beyond.illusion.adil: hai go..
tomar kathamatai korlam..hoe gelo..
me: hmm
beyond.illusion.adil: tomar bhuto khub eshab niye agga
tumi janale bate
nahole ami base base save kortm..
2:09 AM me: :)
its ok.... u need not need to know everything in the whole wide world
beyond.illusion.adil: achha...
hai bolo bolo..muti RTI janto..
ami jantam..haha
2:10 AM me: yes... i always give you credit for that, havent i?
beyond.illusion.adil: hai shona diyechho to..
me: no matter how much trouble that knowlefge has gotten u into but i still say that yes u know what u r doing when its something regarding RTI
2:11 AM beyond.illusion.adil: media r role in this anna thing..khub debate kora holo aajke..dept e..
ami emni maza kore bollam..
amader sab theke je bhalo professor..Shafey Kidwai..
me: and whats the outcome? or whats the strong argument?
beyond.illusion.adil: wo khub rege gelo ei hype niye..
me: maane he doesnt like this hype?
beyond.illusion.adil: yes..tarpar bollo..who is Anna Hazare
2:12 AM ekta 7th Pass decide korbe..constitutionally of any law
me: well to be honest the electronic media has been fooling around over this issue throwing aside any kind of counter arguments and building up mass support wihtout informing the masses
2:13 AM see its clearly not about his educational qualification
corruption is faced by one and all and more so by the uneducated...
beyond.illusion.adil: yes..so aajke amader Mass Comm dept e..
2:14 AM me: everybody has the right to voice it out but then the civil society must also be ready to first test the waters before diving in...
beyond.illusion.adil: darun ekta tarkajuddha holo..amader media ethics nd law er..je teacher..
se chhilo er favor e
me: hazare'r favour e?
beyond.illusion.adil: hain..nd that civil society only fill the void
me: dekhechho... someone has asked anna to lend support to irom shormila
beyond.illusion.adil: when the consitutional mechanism failed..
thats what he said..
acha shono..
2:15 AM me: who has been on liquid diet and fasting for the with drawal of AFSPA for the last ten years
beyond.illusion.adil: yes i know..and NE people are furious over this reaction of media
me: obviously
beyond.illusion.adil: they said its humiliation for them
me: and then u are furious when the say that they refuse to call themselves indians
2:16 AM elika never says she is an indian
beyond.illusion.adil: its very much justified..
me: she says she is a naga
even when she went to germany
beyond.illusion.adil: achha shono..
tumi ekhon ki korchho..
me: keno?
beyond.illusion.adil: amay kayekta chapter porte habe..jus 30 mins mata lagbe..
2:17 AM kal k jadio samay ache..but ektu pore ni..syllabus ta khub boro..aar ami chhui ni ektuo
me: its ok u study... dont try to move ur study schedule around for my sake
please dont bother about me... its ok
u study
beyond.illusion.adil: na na shona emon bolo na..
i love u..
i love to talk wid u..
okay then..wait..
2:18 AM ektu pore
me: i know u d
o
but then u shudnt disturb your study schedule for it
it has been affected enough i dont want to make it worse
yes
2:19 AM beyond.illusion.adil: muahhh..
me: i love you... will always do
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2:49 AM beyond.illusion.adil: hai go bolo
ki korcho tumi
me: purono MAr bonshu'r saathe chat, gaan shona, introduction chapter lekha, facebook e lok er saathe lokpal bill niye jhagra kora
2:50 AM i always have too many things to do
beyond.illusion.adil: hmm jani to.
ami ki jani na
me: hmm
2:51 AM beyond.illusion.adil: ektu irritated mone hachhe amar opor
bolo..
2:53 AM me: na not irritated... i dont have the luxury to be so now... to less time too many things to say, feel, get used to... cant afford to hurt u and thereby hurt myself
i was just angry and pissed with myself for having assumed that things will always work out the way i think it will or it should
there are also things beyond our control
2:54 AM beyond.illusion.adil: hmm..well I need to talk to u..
2:55 AM I know its a difficult time ahead of us..
me: bolchho toh.. roj e
beyond.illusion.adil: to feel..even the date..is itself painful..
2:56 AM me: very painful adil...
beyond.illusion.adil: and i know for dat i am seeing u in this pain..which also makes me feel so bad..so helpless..nd i cant b except silent
me: for what???
2:57 AM beyond.illusion.adil: ei je how i will control myself..control u..
me: i am toh always out of control..
so dont worry too muuch about me
take care of yourself
2:58 AM beyond.illusion.adil: jano..kono ekta jhagda kore amra anna dike chale jetam..emon lagto na..
me: have gone thrugh it once... shall go thru again... this tme i at least have someone to talk to
beyond.illusion.adil: the prob is we love each other alot..nd..
i never feel bad..even last time..its always better to be wid u..
2:59 AM me: dont worry u will again find someone better-er to be with
3:00 AM why didnt u feel bad last time?
when was last time?
3:01 AM beyond.illusion.adil: ei je recently tomar opor regechhilam ami
3:02 AM jai hok..ami baje feel korini..
me: ok... and u didnt feel bad?
thats because u were pissed
beyond.illusion.adil: karan..i love u too much ..je ei shab chhoto byapar matter i kore na..amader madhye emon boro kichhu hoi ni..konodino
me: hmm...
3:04 AM i still didnt get the "u didnt feel bad part"
it was probably because u knew that u r just pissed and that there is always the possibility that things will become fine again
beyond.illusion.adil: mane..tumi sedin jai korechhile..amar eto ta kharap lage ni..je i feel..ami katha bola bandho kore debo 1 diner jannoi..
me: i know i disappointed u that time but even then
3:05 AM tumi amar saathe gota ek din er jonno katha bola bandho kore diyechihile...
3:06 AM i have never done that to u... no matter mad i am at you :(
beyond.illusion.adil: na go...ami bandho kori ni..
ami emnitei busy chhilam sedin..
3:07 AM jai hok..
What I wanted to talk abt ..
me: but since u were pissed and mad with me u did not even think that that u shud say something to me
what did u want to talk about?
beyond.illusion.adil: is that..i know after 22..emon kore katha habe na..
we know each and every fall out..
3:08 AM but please..we shud nt make it as end of the world..at least why cant we spend this time happily..
else every second is painful..
3:09 AM me: because we are greedy and always think of the future and whats coming next and when we see it is not something that we want or like then we fell sad
3:11 AM so wat do u want to do?
3:12 AM a promise that no fights or depressing conversations?
how do u want this done?
beyond.illusion.adil: well possibly..not this depressing conversation..
nd wat i can do for u..
ei bhenge jawa na..
sunyata ta aro beshi feel kori takhon..
3:13 AM me: nothing... u have done enough for
buk er bhetor kemon huhu kore je! :(
beyond.illusion.adil: ami jani je..
huhu amaro korchhe..
tomay ekta kahini shonai..
3:14 AM amari jiboner
me: bolo...
beyond.illusion.adil: tumi jano..ami madhyamic kothai korechhi
me: hain
tulsihata high school
beyond.illusion.adil: hain..dadur kachhe
me: tomar dadu'r kacchhe theke
3:15 AM hain
jani toh
??
beyond.illusion.adil: dadu ke khub bhalobasi..chhotobelai..ma baba piyalee hawar par
3:16 AM amake oder kachhe anek din rakhe
me: oder?
dadu'r kache... bujhechi
beyond.illusion.adil: hai..
3:17 AM me: jani... tumi kono din boloni but ami bujhechi je dadu ke tumi khub bhalobasho... ebong dadu o
beyond.illusion.adil: madhyamic eo..oi barite thaklam 3 te bachhar..
me: hmm
3:18 AM beyond.illusion.adil: amar aar mamar bayas er gap kam..9 bachhar..
me: ok...
beyond.illusion.adil: so khub jhagda hata mamar sathe..nd tao dadu amar taraf nito..
3:19 AM me: :)
beyond.illusion.adil: jai hok..10th e madhyamic diye jakhon aligarh e asar katha bhabi..
me: hmm...
beyond.illusion.adil: one thing..striked me at that age..
3:20 AM 14 i think..
me: struck* not striked*
beyond.illusion.adil: thanks..
me: ei dekho amar baaje obhyesh jaabe na
beyond.illusion.adil: je soon i will b far away frm my dadu..
me: sorry tomar golper khei hariye jaabe
hmm
beyond.illusion.adil: unar bayas 62 then..
me: ok...
3:21 AM beyond.illusion.adil: bhabtam..just 10-12 bachhar and one day i wont find him around..hapanir rugi takhon thekei..
me: ok...
beyond.illusion.adil: recently ekbar heart attack hoi..
me: oh!
beyond.illusion.adil: ami 10 din er mata depression e chale gechhilam..
me: acha...
3:22 AM beyond.illusion.adil: result amar ashe ni..dadur baritei chhilam..
me: hmm...
beyond.illusion.adil: dadur ek bandhu..Kanti dadu..Nilratan theke medical porechhen..
me: ok...
beyond.illusion.adil: uni amay psychiatrist er kachhe niye giyechhilen..
me: acha?
beyond.illusion.adil: okhaner eshaber chalan nei
me: hmm
beyond.illusion.adil: but jus the idea of death..nd i started to feel everything so meaningless
3:23 AM so kichhu kemon amar asajjho lagto..
me: hain ei jinish ta tumi agey ekbar amake bolechhile .. how u feel about death
ok...
tarpor?
beyond.illusion.adil: yes..nd that i realised at 14..during that time of my depression
3:24 AM sunyata ta eto amay pagal korto..je what next..ei je ek ek muhurta..
setai to aar kayek din kayek bachhar par thakbe na
ki kore dhare rakhi..
me: :(
beyond.illusion.adil: khawa dawa khete bhallagto na..
3:25 AM sabai 11th er pora start kore dai..ami pari ni..mone hachhilo...ki ba kore labh sab kichhur..
me: :(
beyond.illusion.adil: sekhan theke etai bhebe ber hoechhilam..
jeta achhe amar kachhe..seta ke sundar kori..
3:26 AM ekta sunyata bhabte gele..anek gulo sunyata amar jibone chheye ashe..
amar sei 2002 er..tomay ei din tar katha bolte sunle..barbar mone hoi..ami abar na ebhabe feel korte shuru kori..
3:27 AM me: plz na!
it would kill me to see u depressed
beyond.illusion.adil: tomar mone hoi na sometimes..je ami khub careless..
emon kore chali..jeno kichhui hoi ni
3:28 AM me: tumi careless nou.. u note everything... just that u sont let it rub too much on u
beyond.illusion.adil: amay omon kore chalte hoi..coz emptiness surround me so fast..
me: yes i know
beyond.illusion.adil: ami tai..ja achhe..seta ke natural life er motoi lead kori..
i hope..ei sab kichhu sune tumi anek tai bujhbe..
3:29 AM me: i know u bloody to much too well adil hossain
:(
beyond.illusion.adil: hmm
me: bujhi tomae adil
prothom din theke tomae mon e hoy etai bujhiye parini je ami bujhi tomae... khub bujhi
3:30 AM beyond.illusion.adil: hai..jibone anek kichhu inevitable ghate..
3:31 AM piyalee ke jigges jadi korte parte..tomay o anek kichhu shonato..
me: yes but y does it have to be with my first and only love of my life?
ki shonato?
beyond.illusion.adil: oke ami jiboner konodin kichhu lukoi ni..
me: amae lukiechho
3:32 AM beyond.illusion.adil: na temon kichhu na..
tumi jano hoi to..
amar ekbar attendance short hoechhilo..
me: na amae lukiechho or theke
beyond.illusion.adil: hai tomay to lukiyechhi..u came to me at that time jakhon o amar theke dur e sare gechhilo..
me: hain jani ... je karane tumi ek bochhor loss korechho
beyond.illusion.adil: wid her arranged..love nd then marriage..
3:33 AM me: je tomar eto kachher erom kore shorio na
there are very few such people one gets in life
beyond.illusion.adil: samay khub boro factor hoi jano
anek kichhu sikhiye dai..anek kichhu nije nije hoe jai..
seta bhalo o hoi to
3:34 AM me: for me this time has just taught me to not love any one as much i have loved u :(
beyond.illusion.adil: o jane..amar mukhe konodino hasi jeto na..
even jedin oke boli..amar attendance short..
3:35 AM o chitkar bolchhilo..dada! tor 1 bachhar nasta holo..kichhu kor!..ami hesei bolechhilam..ta ki holo..next year complete korbo
sab samay wor samne boro boro lok der example diye katha boltam..
nd even at such situation oke hasatam..
me: hain amar tomar ei attitude er jonno majhe majhe tomae kachhe tene dhore jhankate ichchha kore jano!
3:36 AM beyond.illusion.adil: ami subsidiary chemistry te fail korechhilam..
next year resit e paper dite basi..setao bhalo hoi ni..
3:37 AM 2 bachhar already drop chhilo..so amader ekhane BSC degree newar janno ota last chance chhilo amar..
ami jibone e khub careless bole anek kichhu ghatana ghatechhe
kintu tai bole ami par o peyechhi..
3:38 AM so jakhon mone hachhilo..je jadi fail kori..amar BSc er 4 bachhar chale jabe..
me: ok
tarpor?
3:39 AM beyond.illusion.adil: tao i was so calm in front of her..haste haste bollam..dekh amar bandhura +2 kore..Call Centre e chakri kore aaj 20-30 hajar kamachhe..ekhon distance e course kore..nijer jaigai dariye achhe..
me: ar ekhon...?
ekhon tomar hash?
hashi*
3:40 AM beyond.illusion.adil: so..piyalee amar janno anek tension e thekechhe..
me: i can understand
beyond.illusion.adil: sahaj saral meye..
religious..
so amar janno..anek roja manat korto( fasting)
me: shei jonno tomar or biye niye or saathe emon react kora ta ekhono accept korte parini
3:41 AM ar tumi tar ei uttor diley...? o jokhon ekta decision nilo or pocondo moto jeta tomar pochondo noy tumi or theke shorey gele?
beyond.illusion.adil: o nijei bole..wor dada theek chhilo..sedin o ..aaj o
3:42 AM me: maane??
or kono problem hoche?
beyond.illusion.adil: mane..wor biye nie
me: dekho tomae o koto bhalobashe
beyond.illusion.adil: jai hok..
3:43 AM me: or problem hoche?
beyond.illusion.adil: o anek fast rekhechhe amar janno..jakhon o khub bhoi peto..je barite ki habe..je ma amay niye eto hopeful..tar eto adhapatan ki kore sajjho korbe
then ebaro jakhon suspend holam..oke niye restaurent e giye haste haste bolechhilam..
3:44 AM aar bollam..dyakh..eder gala dharei ami ferat asbo..era amay chene na
so..sedin o..ami Chemistry te pass o kore jai..
samaye BSC o kore feli..
nd u know..sesher bachhare anek improve o hoi..
3:45 AM me: tumi hoyto paar peye jao... kintu tomar jonno jara eto bhab taara?
bhabe*
beyond.illusion.adil: dat BSC 1st..amar 56.6, then 60.1 and the BSC Final e..66 ashe..aggregate..1st Division hoi..60.1
3:46 AM hmm..
jani khubi bhebechhe era..
eishab karane..ami kakhono konodin kono stable relationship e thakteo pari ni..
3:47 AM me: keno jaader saathe chhile tara accept korte paren?
pareni*
beyond.illusion.adil: asiyar sathe ami nijei anekta jarai ni..karan takhon o khub uncertainity thakto sabsamay amar jibon k niye....ektu adhtu flirt kore..nijer motoi thekechhi
na..ami nijei jantam..keu accept korte parbe na..
3:48 AM me: asiya uncertainty te thakto???
tumi na jenei jene jete... hmm?
beyond.illusion.adil: tumio je eishab amar sajjho korle..tar ekta karan distance..
3:49 AM me: ei tai tomar bhool... distance makes it worse
it makes it easier for people to distance
beyond.illusion.adil: well..na mane ami sunechhi..juveria r kachhe..asiya naki amar jiboner uncertainity niye anek katha bolechhe..ami nijeo jantam na..next ami ki korchhi
hai eeta katha theek..
3:50 AM samne hale..anna rakam hata..
tumi hoi to amay dekhechho..
me: samne holey hoyto ei pgoler moton ankre dhore thakar ichchhe t thakto na
ki dekhechi?
3:51 AM beyond.illusion.adil: 22 kache ashe bollei..ami aro beshi beshi katha bolbo..emon kori na..chesta kori..bt jibon normal i chale..
coz ami khub brittle..
shakta thakle bhalo..nahole bhenge pori taratari
me: ei ther ways ami je parbo na thakte
:(
ether*
3:52 AM either
beyond.illusion.adil: hmm..
bujhle asmi..
3:53 AM me: bujhe ki ar hobe?
3:54 AM shob e toh amar haath er phank diye beriye jachchhe
beyond.illusion.adil: hai kintu we will hv to show restraint..
jadi sabsamay nijeke ei bojhai..je this is the end of the world..
3:55 AM then it is truly the end of the world
ektu anna rakam bachar chesta koro..
3:56 AM me: i have realized this one year that i am very weak adil very weak
beyond.illusion.adil: hai..and thats dangerous asmita
me: onno rokom bancha maane toh shei ekta jibon jeta te tumi nei :(
3:57 AM really dont have a future, no adil? :(
we really dont have a future na?
3:58 AM beyond.illusion.adil: Asmita..we will have come out of this illusion..
strongly amader nijeder ke bojhate habe
yes there is none at this point..nd we will have to pass this phase
3:59 AM me: it husrt s
it husrts so much adil
beyond.illusion.adil: asmi..
me: it husts bloody so much!
:(
hurt
4:00 AM beyond.illusion.adil: Come out of this Asmi..
learn to live a life..yes even widout me..anek kichhu achhe..
4:01 AM me: ar koto jon ke tumi emon nijer theke shoriye debe?
just to not get them hurt?/
4:02 AM nijer ta kono din ekbaaro bhebchho?
beyond.illusion.adil: amar kachhe kichhu nei
me: shakto pathhor hoye jaabe toh ebhabe!
ki niy e thakbe tahole kichu jodi na thake?
4:03 AM amake banchte bolchho... nije?
beyond.illusion.adil: amay anek kichhu kaj korte habe..
anek boro habar sapno dekhi..
4:04 AM me: i will be the happiest to see u like that one day
and i am sure i will
amar beshi boro hobar ichchhe nei
tomae pelei ami khushi thaktam
4:05 AM beyond.illusion.adil: hmm jani..
4:06 AM kintu satti bolchhi..eksathe thakte giye anek kichhu tumi amar sathe adjust korte parte na
ami hoi to anek bar tomar katha suntam na..edik odik beriye jetam.
4:07 AM me: firey toh ashte amar kache abar...
ashte na?
beyond.illusion.adil: hai hoi to tai i
me: ei ek bochhor e ashoni?
4:08 AM beyond.illusion.adil: eshechhi to muti
aajke tomay anek kichhu bollam..
feeling free..
asha kori..tumi amay bhul bujhbe na..for my carelessness sometimes
4:09 AM me: ar ami kede kede tissue'r roll ta shesh kore enechhi
have i ever?
tomae onno onek karone bokechhi carelessness niye kono din kichu bolwchhi?
beyond.illusion.adil: aar kedo na..u know..i hate tears
4:10 AM me: bcause with me u havent been as careless as u think u r
beyond.illusion.adil: hai piyalee to aro dekhechhe
me: thamte parchina je :(
beyond.illusion.adil: ei je ami sessional exam chhere..delhi jachhilam..
me: jani
beyond.illusion.adil: emon i jibon thakto aage amar..
me: which is why jokhon tumi or opor obhimaan kore thako amar or jonno khub kharap lagey
amar or jonno mon kharap hoye jae
4:11 AM kintu delhi toh jao ni finally
beyond.illusion.adil: na..oke niye ami khub protective..prem korte oke konodin mana kore ni..
me: amar katha toh shunechho
beyond.illusion.adil: khub free amader relation ..
4:12 AM but..wo khub tallented meye chhilo
me: i would give anything to have a brother like u
i am sure she feels the same
what makes u feel that that talent has gone to waste?
biye korechhe bolei shob shesh?
beyond.illusion.adil: o aage porashona aar korte parchhe bhalo kore bolo.
jai hok..
o chesta koruk ..abar ..parbe
4:13 AM biye..family..sasurbari...
me: is it like je o chaichhe kintu parche na?
jani adil
shob meye deri ota face korte hoy
beyond.illusion.adil: hmm
4:14 AM me: its just your over protectiveness thats making u see that biye and everything ese is ruining everything for ur sister
ami ki jani na amake ki face korte hobe?
but then while i am trying to adjust to something so new that when i need my old relations even more
beyond.illusion.adil: i think amay chhara tumi shakta meye..to the whole world..
me: she is craving to get back that same brther in u
4:15 AM yes because u r my strength... do u even know that bhuto?
beyond.illusion.adil: jani shona amar..
me: kichu jano na!
4:17 AM beyond.illusion.adil: ebar ghum aschhe
4:19 AM me: this is the perfect song for the moment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?
4:20 AM amio pagol tai na?
4:21 AM ei shob somoyeo gaan shonachi
beyond.illusion.adil: keno
me: ki keno?
4:22 AM beyond.illusion.adil: to ki holo..
one love songs
4:23 AM me: see this is the reason i love u so much... no matter how mad and weird and crazy i am ... to u i am still sane
y r u so nice to me?
why???
4:24 AM this cud be ur version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?
beyond.illusion.adil: muahh..but please..ei katha ta bhebe sab nasta koro na
dat wat after 22
me: kon katha?
beyond.illusion.adil: lol
me: ki noshto korbo?
lol??
4:25 AM beyond.illusion.adil: the joy of being together
ei je tumi amaro version khujle muti
me: because i love u
beyond.illusion.adil: dats sweet of u
me: cant stop loving u no matter what
tatey tomar borkhwali eshe amake tara korle tao
4:26 AM beyond.illusion.adil: achha tai..
me: hmm
4:27 AM beyond.illusion.adil: muahhhh
me: bhoy peo na... extra marital er temptation dekhabo na
will just keep loving u
may be not as crazily like i do now but definitely more deeply
beyond.illusion.adil: haha..jadi ami dekhai
4:28 AM so will i
me: thele tomar borkhawali'r kachhe pathiye debo
beyond.illusion.adil: haha
me: ar noyto bolbo extra marital cholbe na... i can accept a threesome
foursome ta ektu barabari
beyond.illusion.adil: ei dekho meyer katha
4:29 AM me: it depends upon ur borkhawali'r discretion
beyond.illusion.adil: tumi kata paka go
me: keno?
threesome foursome whatever-some is everyday conversation here
beyond.illusion.adil: threesome jano ki...
me: yes i do
what do u think of me
4:30 AM beyond.illusion.adil: ami nahoi porn dekhechhi
tumi bechari sadha sidhe meye
me: eshob jante gele shob somoy porn dekhte hoyna
beyond.illusion.adil: achha
4:31 AM me: hmm
beyond.illusion.adil: then
4:32 AM me: ki then?
beyond.illusion.adil: u knw it..ki kore shuni
me: bondhu... films etc etc
